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Yuval Noah Harari & Newsweek Belgium: "The Future of Sapiens"

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[00:00:00] Host Create clip we have time for, like, 10 15 questions and we'll kick it off. The people asking the questions are there, and we kick it off with a low student from Baby their Professor Harari. I am Naomi, and I am very grateful that I can ask you a question tonight. So in your first book, SAPIENs, I could learn about this capacity that humans have to tell stories. And I really have the feeling that there is, ah huge contrast between our amazing intellectual capacity of telling stories and our primitive reactions in certain situations. When we take an example, like a topic like migration, we can see that many people still have very primitive and animal kind of reflections with arguments that basically come down to this is my territory. I will protect it. I will not be invaded by strangers. And while I wonder and I suppose it my question to you, Professor Harari, is Do you believe that we humans will ever be capable off inventing a story that is strong enough to surpass this primitive reactions in order maybe to taking to account the basic needs off every person on this planet.

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[00:01:30] Host Create clip a very important question, Uh, a couple off quick responses. First of all, it's not just about it. It's easy to invent stories. The difficulty is in convincing a lot of people to believe in the same story. And this is what culture is really about. And when I say that something is a story some people imagine, Okay, think Okay, so it's very easy to change it or it's not important, but no. Stories are the most important thing, and they are very difficult to change because people has a very strong attachment to that, and we should be over of aware of that. So if you think about migration, for example, um, two people were very different stories in their minds. It's very difficult for them, indeed to live together. And it's Nobody wants to give up their own story, which what makes migration so difficult for everybody involved? So it's not about just coming up with the story that everybody can accept, but it's actually understanding what is happening in people's minds and ah, and it can take generations. I mean, successful migration or successful integration off different human groups. It never happens overnight.

[00:02:48] Host Create clip It takes decades. It often takes generations, so we should be very clear and honest about the difficulties involved. And yes, I hope that, you know, to survive in the 21st century. We need stories that are global because the challenges we face are global. To deal with nuclear war, to deal with climate change, to deal with disruptive technologies with like a I, we need to transcend the differences between different nations and cultures. But to do that, we first have to acknowledge the depth off these attachments and the difficulty in overcoming them and not to be naive about, ah, about our ability to do so. So I hope this this answered the question.

[00:03:45] Host Create clip Yes, thank you very much. Thank you. I think you know me. Next question is from grass for L. A from the university of on Trip. Very good evening, Professor Ivy. My name is Grace, and I study French in Spanish at the University of Answer. And my initial mindset on studying languages was that it's socialized human. Being like us should at least muster one or two to be able to interact with the world around us. But if I interpret what you write in your books correctly. Namely that, Hey, I will eventually translate better than any human. Can I start thinking that what I do has no more economic value? Are benefit on the job market? So what I would like to ask you is, what I do is it's still relevant. And how do I prefer for my future? Question? Is studying relevant?

[00:04:57] Host Create clip Yes. Oh, it again. There are several levels here. On the one hand, studying the language is no jest for economic benefits. Okay, I can record the translator it. You also learn a lot, have a different perspective on life. So it's not just about the economic benefits. If you momentarily focus just about the question off jobs, then this is a much broader question. No, just about translators. There are a lot of jobs that people do today that people learn study how to do this job today that might disappear within 20 years. The fact is that nobody knows what the job market would look like in 20 years. It's the first time in history that we are in this situation. My best advice is that it's dangerous to focus on a narrow skill and put all your hopes on that. Like to learn a human language or two called in a computer language or to drive a truck or anything like that could be automated in the next 2030 years. So the most important skills in the 21st century how to constantly learn new things, how to reinvent yourself throughout your life. So I I would say that for that you need a lot of emotional intelligence and mental flexibility.

[00:06:24] Host Create clip These are maybe the most important skills because the one thing we know for sure about the job market off 2040 or 2050 is that it will be very volatile. The idea off a single career for life I have one job for my entire life is probably completely obsolete. So people will need to reinvent himself again and again. And that demands no, just the capacity to learn throughout life, but a lot off emotional intelligence and mental flexibility with

[00:07:01] Host Create clip every human. Is every human being able to do that to be that flexible?

[00:07:10] Host Create clip We need to incorporate this into educational systems today, not in 2014 24th. It will be too late, and that's very difficult. It's much more difficult to teach emotional intelligence than dates off battles in history. It's much more difficult to teach mental flexibility than an equation in physics. Eso again like it was regarded the previous questions we should have Bean naive. It's going to be very difficult and a dangerous that a lot of people will remain behind, especially in developing countries. A relatively prosperous country like Belgium will probably be able to invest in retraining people and also helping them to cope psychologically with the difficulties of transitioning again and again. But many countries around the world might not be able to do it. So the really big problem, I think, is on the global level, off rising global inequalities, the countries which will benefit the most from the automation revolution and the Aye Aye revolution will do extremely well. But other countries could completely collapse. And this will, of course, affect everybody, not just these countries.

[00:08:28] Host Create clip Next question is from radio host from Eminem. That's a youth radio station from the book, the best radio station in Belgium. I beg to evening and thank you for existing and speaking out. Thank you. Um, my question actually elaborate A little bit on what you just said. So you told us we are going to be become a difference specie species. We're going to evolve, but there's a big problem with that. We don't like things that are different than ourselves. I myself am married to a wonderful husband. We have adopted a beautiful girl with Asian roots, and we lived a wonderful life. But as we already heard in the older questions, um, there's always seen a phobia and homophobia and racism and religious fanaticism and populism and fake news around the corner. So I was wondering, as you were already explaining a little bit, will we be able to evolve or, well, things just get worse and so much worse that we will go back instead of go forwards because that's what I'm afraid off because we just love to hate.

[00:09:41] Host Create clip Mmm. And that's a global problem.

[00:09:45] Host Create clip Well, I don't know. I hope things will improve what we can say again, based on history, that we have seen immense improvement in in these areas over the last few decades. Homophobia now is bad, but it was far, far worse 50 years ago, so bad that in many places you couldn't even talk about it was unmentionable. Similarly, with all the problems we have is the rise off extreme nationalism and populism and xenophobia, it's important to take things in perspective and also to be grateful about what we have already achieved. Otherwise. People despair, or people think that one of the things that is fueling exactly these tendencies is the sense that nothing has been achieved. And if the system is completely no, not not functioning. So it's important to realize the immense achievements and be grateful for them, not in order, then do nothing but to first of all, protect what we already achieved and secondly, realized that, yes, we can do that. So if you look, for example, at Europe, with all the talk off the rise of nationalism and and xenophobia a century ago, Europeans were killing each other by the millions exactly here in the battlefields off Belgium and in the Western Front, over small differences in culture and language and possession of this bit of territory of that bit of territory.

[00:11:31] Host Create clip No, even when you look at the, uh, you know, 1000 something like Brexit for me is historian. The amazing thing about Brexit is that a sorries I know. Only one person lost her life during the entire process from the pre referendum arguments with these difficult years until now, very, very little violence in historical terms, you know, in previous eras, a question like this whether Britain should be part off a big European, you know, not could only be resolved through a major war with thousands, maybe millions, off casualties. Now not people just vote about it can be angry. They can fight and argue, but relatively little violence. It's the same when you look a TTE other parts off Europe, I hope. I mean, you can't guarantee for the future. Things can go really downhill from here. But, um, we should understand that this game really gives us hope that human nature is not our destiny. Yes, something like xenophobia is in our genes. But it's not our destiny. We can do something about it. Actually, every nation is a triumph over xenophobia because, genetically or in evolutionary terms, we are programmed to be fearful and even hateful off anybody we don't know personally.

[00:13:10] Host Create clip For hundreds of thousands of years, we lived in small, intimate communities off maximum 100 100 and 50 individuals and anybody else was a stranger to be feared and hated. Today, even small nations like I come from Israel. We have eight million citizens, I don't know, 99.99% off these people. And still I can feel connected to them again. Pay my taxes so that somebody I don't know in a distant city will get good health care. So actually, nationalism is already a triumph over the new phobia. And as for homophobia, I'm really buffaloed by it. I don't know if any good evolutionary explanation for it. I would think that straight guys would be extremely glad when you know there's less competition, you know.

[00:14:11] Host Create clip Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from a Converse viewer and that's Luis de Matos. So my name is Ludwik, the mayor. I have a master's degree and computer science on in bio engineering. Nowadays we are able to harvest genetically modified crops, which leads to a monoculture. In the near future, we will be able to manipulate our d n a. Maybe we will all opt for the brains off. Einstein on the muscles off Usain Bolt, According to you. Well, We also an evolved into a mono culture with all identical species off the Homo SAPIENs.

[00:15:03] Host Create clip Um, actually, my main fear is the opposite. That will see a process of speciation that, ah, what out today? Class differences between Homo SAPIENs will eventually become differences. Biological differences between different species. Previously in history it was never possible to translate economic inequality into biological inequality. But in the not so distant future, it could be possible. And that's very dangerous. Only some people we'll have the resources, ah, to opt for the brain off Einstein or for the muscles of his young boat. So I think that that's an even bigger danger. And more specifically, to your question. I would say that the danger is that humans are very good in manipulation. They're often very bad in understanding the full consequences off these manipulations. It's easier to build a dam over a river than to anticipate all the different effects this will have on the ecosystem. Similarly, it will be much easier to our say, try to amplify intelligence using genetic engineering than to understand all the different consequences this will have for the human mind and for for society.

[00:16:38] Host Create clip You change one gene, You think it improves intelligence, but it has so many other effects and, you know, just improving intelligence. And if you define intelligence in a narrow way and you don't take, for example, emotional intelligence into account is extremely dangerous. So the knife fear, which is based on history, is that when humans have power to manipulate their very often tempted to use it long before they have the necessary wisdom to understand what will actually be the consequences of these manipulations.

[00:17:13] Host Create clip Thank you. Hi. I'm, uh, confirm Macular. I'm on a visual artist. First of all, thank you for your lecture. Very inspiring. Do you think that artificial intelligence will be part ofour d n a. And will it cost on through procreation? And will it replace the the natural mutation? And what does it mean for humanity in that case? And what does it mean for art? I mean, what is the rule at the end?

[00:17:58] Host Create clip Um, well, we might use a I to change of genes, not by implanting computer chips into the d n A. But simply as I just said, it's the genetic human is so complex to understand what the consequences of changing this gene off this group of genes that without the help off A I and computers fairly, completely impossible to make any serious progress in that direction. We might also see, like I said in the talk, basically the merger off humans and computers and you will outsource more and more decisions to your second brain, basically to an a I, which companies you and monitors you all the time, whether it's good or bad. It has both immense, positive and immense negative potential, and it's impossible to tell in advance where we'll go with regard to out. The real question is how we define out in the modern world. The tendency, in many cases is to see the main function off out is, um, exploring and inspiring human emotions. It wasn't like that throughout history, but in the modern world, this is the typical definition.

[00:19:30] Host Create clip You create a work off out a piece of music, painting a TV show mainly to explore and inspire certain emotions in humans. And the thing is that if this is the purpose of out very soon A, I is likely to be a much better artist than almost any human being because it could decipher the human emotional system, which is a biological system, and learn how to play on it. Like on a keyboard. You want to inspire fear. You want to inspire compassion. You don't. You want to inspire joy for this particular person. You show that or you show something else that will creativity disappear. The nd depends on definitions. I mean, some people say, Well, creativity is like the last line of defense off the humans and machines

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[00:20:33] Host Create clip But the thing is that which shouldn't overestimate the abilities off. Aye, aye. But then also, we often tend to overestimate the ability of humans. What kind of balance is off? I mean, many in many cases, for humans. Tomb creativity, in the end, boils down to pattern recognition and pattern Recognition is something that computers are now doing better and better in numerous fields. In chess, for example, already today, creativity is a sign off computer intervention. When you have a game today, you still have games between humans only, even though everybody knows computers plays much better, and the problem in these competitions is how how Can we be sure that one of the players isn't getting advice from computer? And one of the message methods to find out is to monitor the moves they're making. And if they make a very creative and original move immediately, the alarm sounds. That's probably computer move.

[00:21:40] Host Create clip But it's one thing to play chess. Its another one to paint something that will touch people.

[00:21:45] Host Create clip Yes, s again. We are not there yet with painting or his music or even with Stevie. But the thing is that if in the end it's about human emotions and you and emotions are a biological from biological pattern, anger, hatred, joy, laughter, their biological patterns. Ah, in the not too distant future with enough biological data and enough computing power, eh? I will be better than humans in knowing how to inspire joy. Particularly knew it might will not work for anybody else, but just for you. How do I know what you're feeling right now? I'm basically analyzing signals coming from you, mainly your tone of voice and your facial expression and your body language. And I recognize patterns.

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[00:22:48] Host Create clip okay. I saw a 1,000,000 smiles before. I kind of know what it means. It's recognizing a pattern. Now. A computer would be able to do all that even better than humans and do something far more, which is go under the skin. I can't access directly your heart or your brain. Right now, I'm basing my analysis just on external signals, but with a biometric sensor, a computer could directly access. What is your heartbreak, right? Right now? What is your blood pressure? Which areas in the brain are working and based on that computer's will be able to understand human emotions off to analyze human emotions even better than human out ists. They still might not have any emotions of their own, but they might reach a point when they can understand and play on our emotional key boat better than any human being. Let

[00:23:43] Host Create clip me say, I'm happy tonight. That's not happening Good for Michaela asked the question. Thank you. Next question is from archness Vinny, and she's also a compass. Fewer. Yes, indeed. Good evening, Mr Abadi. My name is Agnes and after burnouts, a leader A different life. For the moment, it is my personal opinion that a burnout is not a personal, pure personal matter, but that we suffer a global burnouts. I see that the scale of challenges that we face today as humanity is impressive. And I wonder, how can one, um, find courage? Ah, and strength and not become powerless and desperate? And how can one corporatists crisis on effect in turn thistle situation into a situation off positive, active hope?

[00:24:45] Host Create clip I think the key is to be realist and to have a good balance off being aware off the problems and challenges, but not feeling that everything is lost. You know, look at you. Look at something like climate change. So on the one hand, we should avoid this denial mode that know nothing is happening. It's all a hoax, but equally we should We should avoid the feeling that it's hopeless. There is nothing we can do about it. Um, in this case, for example, if humanity had the right motivation, it would have been relatively easy to solve the problem of climate change to solve climate change. We don't need to go back living in caves and eating roots. Actually, to solve the climate crisis, we need to invest just about 2% off global GDP. That's the magic number. If humanity invested now 2% off global GDP in dealing with climate change by investing in new technologies, new industries, different subsidies and so forth, we can solve it. 2% is still a lot of money.

[00:25:59] Host Create clip It's about the same amount that humanity spends on armies on defense on guns. 2% of GDP is roughly what most countries spend on defense. If there was a world war, I assure you, countries will have spent far, far more than 2% on armaments on war. So if you think about it, well, this is the kind of world war that we brought on ourselves. But we're on all in it together. Then we can do that. So the thought so well, The issue is not to despair and to realize that we have immense powers. It's a question off where we invest them.

[00:26:44] Host Create clip Okay, thank you very much. Next question comes from a TV host, and that's myself until a good evening. Very famous in Flanders. Yes. My name is Marcella presented the radio in the TV, sometimes seeing songs you're already were. There are Belgian Government is planning to spend four billion euro on the new F 35 fighter planes. But last week last week, a big Belgian company, a textile company and a smaller city came to a halt because unknown, untraceable urban hackers yeah, put them to a stop. What's the point of spending so much money on arms while you can spend them on Social Security? Pensions, nurses? Education may be the arts. How would you spend four billion year old,

[00:27:37] Host Create clip um, well, again, doing my usual thing? Taking the long perspective, Things are much, much better than in any previous time in history. If you go back a couple of centuries than something like 70 80% off the budget off the government or off the king goes to defense. If you go back to the Middle Ages to the county of Flanders, the Count of Flanders spend. I own 90% off his budget on building castles and paying nights and cross woman 10% on having festivals and jousts and tournament and things like that, and 0% on public health care education. There was just nothing like there is no health minister in the county of Flanders in the Middle Ages now As I said before, most government, I don't know specifically about Belgium, but I would be surprised if it's much more than 2% education and wealth and health care. Most governments spent far more on education and health care than they spend on defense. So we have progressed quite a lot.

[00:28:58] Host Create clip We only spend like, wonder, even 2% on the arts, so that might be going up a little bit. Yeah, I agree. Hearts is more eternal than politics, and countries and religion depend

[00:29:13] Host Create clip what kindof out. I mean some out. You know, we think that out is like eternal because we remember of your deputies and will you remember the other the Vinci We don't remember the kindof bad out that was very common in ancient Greece and just very little survived of it. So and again due to

[00:29:40] Host Create clip your home in the ancient Greece

[00:29:44] Host Create clip and again, like in itself, the other answers, We need not to be too naive in our understanding, off the world and off humanity. I wish that I could tell you that we can do without any armies, and Defense Force says it's just completely non realistic. The world is still a very dangerous place. Uh, and wars are still a possibility. And yes, there is the logic off the arms race. If we are then the other side also arms and so forth. But like in most things, I would recommend a gradual improvement and not a utopian revolution. We have made immense progress in the last couple of decades in reducing armament all over the world. And that was gradual. If any idea that in a single year we can just abolish all the armies and all the art, it almost never works. Utopian revolutions tend often toe backfire. If somebody comes and promises to you paradise next year, If you just vote for me, run away. It never works.

[00:31:06] Host Create clip Thank you. Thank you. And there are a lot off politicians here tonight. I think they've heard your message. Luckily, we had elections only last year. So Claire from the Felder is the next company. If you were with a question Good evening. I'm clear from the Felder. I studied biology and I've been looking at animals from some years. And then I switched to humans. I found much more in there. Also, humans have the capacity to be conscious off Love off feeling love. Which direction is it going to take? Well, our capacity off love be going down in line with the downfall of our capacity to smell or really take the other direction on where our ability off to love evolved to be more strongly developed as future upgrades off human minds would be realized with artificial intelligence.

[00:32:22] Host Create clip But it's a good question. And don't look for any prophecies because it really depends on the decisions that we take in the coming years. In the coming decades, we can use the same technology to create very different kinds of societies, very different kinds of humans. Part of the problem is that love is much more complex than something like discipline like to measure it. And also, generally speaking, it's foul s, um, economically profitable. So if we leave these kinds of decisions just in the hands off the free market, we are likely to get foul is love. Um, you know, you look at today the kind off epidemic off fake news. It's mostly motivated by these arms race to capture human attention and keep it on my platform on my website and some of the smartest people in the world over the last few years worked on this problem off how to grab out to grab people's attention and keep it and unfortunately, what they discovered either. It's much, much easier. The easiest way to captures people attention is to press the fear button off the hate button in the brain, not the compassion button.

[00:33:58] Host Create clip And therefore most off off, off, off, off this epidemic or funeral fake news. You could have created fake news that encourage compassion, but that's very, very rare because economically it makes no sense. So this this is just a small, kind off warning sign. Tow us that if we leave these kinds of technologies just in the hand off the free market, we are going to be very disappointed with the results. Usually the argument goes off. You know, the big corporations that you know. It's a free market. If people don't want it, nobody forces them to buy it, but it doesn't work like that. But it's compassion, never profitable. Um, not never. But generally speaking, it's It's usually Fowler's profitable than greed. And, you know, I'm going to take a simple example like you have now in the U. S. I don't know how it is in here, but in the U. S. This issue off food in schools. So the previous administration bend certain foods like pizza and ah, sweet drinks in schools. But the current administration is abolishing these regulations. Yes, you can sell pizza in and cocaine in schools, and the argument is, you know it's a free country. If they kids don't want to buy pizza, nobody forces them to bite and eat it.

[00:35:32] Host Create clip But that's decent genius. I mean, the thing is that very often, with these new technologies and these big corporations, they find our weaknesses and use them against us tomb. And it's it's often unfortunately, much easier to amplify people's weaknesses than toe amplify their strength. If you ask me for advice on how to increase fear or hatred very, very easy, how to increase compassion, that's much, much more difficult. And this is why it's so dangerous to just leave these decisions to, ah, to the free market.

[00:36:19] Host Create clip Thank you. The future is female. Have been looking for outclassed on Saskia. Hi, I'm skeptical Stick and I'm an author and I would really love to write the sequel to the sequel off the wonderful and bustling handmade seal by Margaret. That would eso Here's my question to you and that is, uh, when, in your view, will women finally take over? Yeah, um, it's a bit of a provocative question. Maybe, But I mean, given the fact that women still have this reproductive flowering homes and when it comes to education and so economical Sadie's to become more and more equal to men. Well, women ever take over.

[00:37:16] Host Create clip Well, people are constantly asking me for prophecies, and I don't really know.

[00:37:21] Host Create clip Yeah, I want the exact what I

[00:37:23] Host Create clip can really offer is mainly about the past. As historian, we still don't understand. Why is it that in most human societies in history, men have dominated women? Now the common explanation that men are physically stronger and more aggressive makes very little sense, because in most human societies in most human organizations, it's not physical strength. Rather, it's social skills that are the key, Ah, to be going to be to be dominant. If you look at human organizations from politics to religion, you don't become pope by beating up all the other cardinals you needs to wield a coalition of supporters, and there are a couple off politicians year that I guess know much more about it than me and to build the coalition of supporters, you need to compromise when it, first of all to understand what other people are, want what other people think. Now the usual story is that women are much better at it than men. We're far more self centered than think only about themselves and so forth and so on. So how come that in a species in which social skills are the key to political and economic dominance? Still, men dominate women, and it's not like in all species is like that in bonobos. Among elephants, it's females who dominate. Despite being physically weaker. We still don't have a good explanation for why, in human societies, men usually have dominated women again. Over the last century, there has been a tremendous revolution.

[00:39:13] Host Create clip You know, there've been so many revolutions in history that did not change at all the gender structure so that people thought this is eternal and natural. And then within a century or so, the feminist revolution completely changed gender relations. There are still things to do off course, but the changes is really amazing. And what

[00:39:35] Host Create clip is that? Evolved gradually throughout the next few years?

[00:39:39] Host Create clip Yama. But But the really amazing thing is how peaceful it was. You know how many people died in the Bolshevik Revolution? And what did it achieve? How and you compare that order or the French Revolution, And then you get the feminist revolution didn't need to kill anybody. And they change society more than perhaps any previous revolution in history. So again, I don't know what will happen next, but I think there is room for optimism on that front Also,

[00:40:19] Host Create clip there's a follow up story, Saskia. Our time is limited. Let's talk about education. Hitter The naked eye. Well, I'm the dean of the faculty of arts and philosophy off Ganz University, the TERT female dean in 200 years. Um, on dhe, I would like to ask you something about the future. Roll off the humanities, if any, in the rather dystopian world that you have sketched, especially in the first part off your lecture. Um, well, we in fact, be able to rescue humanism by continuing the search for beauty, wisdom and truth. What do you think? And

[00:41:12] Host Create clip I I think we should. I think that the humanities, philosophy and history out are now maybe more important than ever before. Because, you know, finally, after thousands of years that philosophers were discussing all kinds of questions which had very little impact on how people actually live. These questions are now becoming not philosophical questions, but practical questions. Off engineering. For thousands of years, philosophers have bean asking themselves, If you could enhance human beings, in what way would you do it? What qualities are really important for human beings? And this was, you know, really a philosophical discussion with very little impact on how people live. No, it's moving from the philosophy department to the engineering department, but I think the philosophers should move with it. They should acquaint themselves with genetics with a I, and some of them do. And because we need their contribution on these questions, we can't leave it to the just the technicians and the engineers to make these decisions even on a much smaller scale. You think about something like a self driving vehicle.

[00:42:40] Host Create clip To put the self driving vehicle actually on the road, you need to answer some very deep philosophical questions that philosophers have been grappling with for thousands of years. Example everybody gives is the car speeds on down the road. Suddenly, two kids jump in front of the car, and the only way to save them is to swear for the side and maybe hit a truck, which kills the owner of the car who is asleep in the back seat. Now what do you do? This is exactly the kind of questions that philosophers argued about for thousands of years, with very little impact on human behavior. Because even if you say yes, I should, of course, sacrifice myself to save the kids in the moment of crisis. You don't act from your intellect. You act from your guts. You forget all about philosophy. You are moved by your immediate emotions. Now we still driving vehicles to put them on the road. You need to program the algorithm. What to do in such a situation? And for the first time in history, you can be certain that the answer you reach will actually be implemented. You can take the best philosophers in the world, put them in a room that can discuss it for a year and what they decide you can implement in the algorithm, and you have 100% of 99% guarantee. This is actually what the car will do, and we need this input. If we just leave it again to the free market, the result will be probably beam that they will have two models the Tesla altruist and the Tessler egoist.

[00:44:34] Host Create clip And you know, the customer is always right. If most people buy the test like a ghost, well, it's not our fault. This is what the customers want.

[00:44:45] Host Create clip Thank you. The last question of the night is more personal one. It comes from my colleague Thomas from the Good evening, Mr Harari. A Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us tonight. My question indeed is a bit more personal. You've called yourself a prophet tonight or you used by repeatedly denying it. Well, that's what I want to ask you because one of the side of fix about being as massively successful as you are, um, as an intellectual is that you yourself have become the object off adoration. There is even more or less a religious cult, a certain groups around you and I ask myself How do you as an intellectual? Do you have an explanation for that? And how do you experience that Evenings like this?

[00:45:34] Host Create clip No. So it's I did eating. It's intimidating for me and I think very dangerous to raise any person to that level off a prophet or a guru. Because then what happens is that the people who look up to that guru, they stopped making a throats by themselves to understand and to come up with solutions. They just expect somebody else to provide the answers and they accept them, whatever they are. That's very, very dangerous. It's all the dangerous to the person in question. He or she might start believing that and then you makes you crazy. So I again I repeatedly tell people that I don't know what will be in 20 years and 50 years, and this they don't Somehow they don't hear. They listened very carefully to what I say, except for this, and I also try toe really observe what's happening in in my own mind. I meditate every every day. I do two hours off the personal meditation. I go every year from a long retreat off between 30 or 60 days off just observing what is happening in my own mind. And I don't think that I could have written the books in the first place or survived the consequences without the kind off mental balance that Ah, this practice gives me. Because when you look when I look at my own mind, I really see how little there is to admire because, you know, there is so much garbage in the mind off everybody, but at least I'll just testify about myself.

[00:47:23] Host Create clip Aren't you a bit hard for yourself now? Because everybody here were 5000 just watching you 19. Any garbage? Yeah,

[00:47:30] Host Create clip because I'm very careful about what comes out of my mouth. Come way have to die in the world. This cut cult off the authentic leaders was the world's a very popular in these circles except in one place between the mind and the mouth. There, they want immediate access. Whatever pops up in the mind immediately, let it go through your mouth. And we have this cult of the authentic leader that says whatever comes up in the mind and that is very, very dangerous. I think that again there are several politicians here in the hole and lots of voters. I don't want authentic leaders. I don't want authentic politicians. I want responsible leaders and politicians now

[00:48:34] Host Create clip as you can from the reaction you've hit a nerve.

[00:48:38] Host Create clip Authenticity is very important in out. It's very good to be authentic when you go to meet your therapist, but not in government. There again, I look just like myself. How many things just pop up in the mind, which are full of fear and full of hatred, And I shouldn't act from there. And I

[00:49:02] Host Create clip guess because it pops up in your mind, you shoot. Yeah,

[00:49:04] Host Create clip just because something popped up in my mind, that's not a good enough reason to share it with the rest of humanity. So, um, personally, I find that again, meditation is really helpful.

[00:49:21] Host Create clip Thank you dealing with this. Thank you so much for your question. And let's all make a promise to you. All five thousands of us will keep thinking for ourselves